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2004, the own her to remove dozens of hand mines from the grounds. this is definitely not golfing for the faint of heart. so if you're a golfer up for adventure, you might want to consider booking the next flight to kabul. after all, a round of golf here only costs $15. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. stay tuned for "reliable sources." a presidential address from the oval office used to be a huge news event, one that journalists would slice and dice and chew over for days. but barack obama's speech on iraq came and went after the usual partisan squabbling. did the media turn the page on this war long ago? "time" magazine says obama is mr. unpopular that america is isla ma phobic, that israel doesn't care about peace. managing editor rick stengel will be here.
washington post sports writer mike wise puts a fake scoop on twitter and winds up with a month's suspension for the talk radio stunt. did he get off too easy? we'll ask him. >> plus, a new political website in texas has yet to make a dime. does this sort of journalism have a future? i'm howard kurtz and this is "reliable sources." it was presidential obama's second formal address from the oval office about a bloody war that dominated american politics for years and left the media's reputation tarnished. the stage seemed set for a major international story. >> so tonight, i am announcing that the american combat mission in iraq has ended. "operation iraqi freedom" is over. this was my pledge to the american people as a candidate for this office. >> and for a few hours at least, most conservative commentators
denigrated the speech while liberal commentators didn't much like it either but they're still mad at george bush. >> some of us here on the factor were discussing why the president even bothered. why was he so boring? >> because it's not a bus by berkeley production with dancing girls. >> this speech was really in terms of partisan stuff, and how this war was started in terms of what the bush administration did to get us in this war, it was incredibly restrained even more than restrained. it was remarkably generous. >> everything about it was small. >> ludicrous. the presentation itself, i objected to the pictures of his kids in the background. >> thank you, mr. bush, for starting to withdraw those troops lucky enough not to die in your false war. >> i found this one perplexing. i didn't quite understand what the point was. >> then the story seemed to varnish. the collective judgment, iraq is yesterday's news despite the 50,000 american troops still station there had. what explains this lack of interest? fred francis, whose company 15
seconds advises clients on handling the media. jamie mcintyre, senior pentagon correspondent who now founded the blog line of departure.com. and ab stoddard at the hill newspaper. how could obama's speech about a war so deadly and divisive have largely been treated as a one-day story? >> you hit the nail on the head in your opening statement in that people have move on. the number of casualties that the u.s. has in the war is not a good way to measure success of the war but a good way to measure how much the united states and the american public cares about it. what they really care about is not whether you have a symbolic end to combat operations but how many americans are dying there. and if fewer americans are dying there, they care less about the war even though iraq remains a mess. >> of course, iraqis are still dying there. there was an attack today, bombing at least seven killed. several hundred over the last month. fred francis, 24 hours after
that speech, i turned on the 8:00 cable news shows and none were dealing with iraq. it was already considered to be old news. >> a big mistake because we still have 50,000 troops there. they said the end of combat operations. it's not the end of operations. 4,500 special forces troops the best in the world. american soldiers are going to be dying in that war and it's still a war in my opinion for the next couple of years, even if the end is in 2011. we're not going to be gone. it's a story the american media should be covering and we're not covering it. >> you know what got more attention than this speech? take a look, the redecoration of the oval office and whether it was sufficiently creative. so are the media just bored with iraq? >> you know, listen, you can blame the media and let's give credit to the obama administration for stepping on their oval office address. they scheduled the relaunching the mideast peace talks the very next day within 36 hours. >> that got a fair amount of
coverage. >> it's a very important story. they knew that was going to come off the august 31 date. and they released the photos of their newly beige oval office. they're keenly aware of the timing of this stuff and know exactly when to release stuff. if they wanted to focus on marking the end of iraq, they could have made it last longer. >> it seems to me you don't have either party saying we shouldn't have withdrawn these latest troops and phase owl our involvement. there's a consensus on that. as a result, there's not much for cable to argue about. the passion i see are the important debates, we've heard them 10,000 times about did bush lie his way into war and did obama fail to credit the bush surge. >> you can blame the media to some extent about this. it's the age-old problem where they will have lost interest in this story. you can put it in the same box with a number of really important stories that just don't get the attention that they deserve. >> i think that if iraq goes into civil war, which is highly
likely, if there's a coup in iraq, an iraqi general takes over or continues what's going on right now like a sideways you know smattering of terrorists day in and day out, we'd be lucky if there are two or three american reporters in baghdad to cover the story. anytime in the next year. >> because of the cost involved, because of the lack of interest, all these things? >> your first answer is the most important answer. >> it's expensive. >> you will see most of the american media with probably the exception of the "washington post" and "the new york times" mostly have iraqi reporters covering for american journalism. >> you would think that journalists would dwell more on this war even though it's a symbolic ending and all of that because the toll that it took on our business, had you journalists killed like you have bloom and kelly and others who were wounded. yet, i think you can make a case we turned the page a couple years ago. >> there's a case to be made that the media is following the
american public opinion turning the page because the main focus is the economy. they follow that will story every dale. >> that got more attention in the speech when the president tried to pivot from the cost of war to rebuilding the economy. >> which was very awkward pivot. i would say the profound question that is raised by marking an end to the war in iraq is the most important question, which is was it worth the cost. for the blume family, for the families of all of the more than 4400 lives lost, when is you hear general odierno and secretary gates saying i cannot answer the question whether or not this was worth it, check back with us six years or more when history will tell us whether it was a success or failure, there is no conclusion and the media likes conclusions. they're on to afghanistan and the economy. >> the thing we're stuck with for a long time is appalling suicide rates in the american military, divorce rates off the chorts in the military, veterans coming back, 32,000 wounded who can't get treatment at va
hospitals. it should be a continuing story. it's going to be a continuing story. the fact is we're not covering it. >> the levels of violence, the main driver of american media interest in covering the war in iraq, i'll get back to my original answer, is the number of americans dying. if the level of violence is high but it's iraqis dying, you're going to see the same level of coverage you're seeing now. >> does that bother you? >> you know, i think it's something that -- i don't know if you can have an opinion about. it's kind of like the weather. you have to deal with it. >> we lost 44016 troops in iraq. doesn't that count for another year or so of coverage of why they got there. >> you would think they really care how it all turnts out. the media tends to care as long as the u.s. troops are in danger. >> and it doesn't cost too much to cover it. >> was it also a factor on msnbc, that the night that the last combat troops were pulled out this as a couple of weeks
ago, they were on for hours and had an exclusive with the pentagon. here's two weeks later, obama is back from vacation and wants to talk about iraq. >> it was regrettable. cn n should have done that if they could have gotten the exclusive. however it was regrettable the way nbc cover it had. >> why? >> they should have put more emphasis on fact that we still had 50,000 troops there and it's not the end -- it's the end of official combat operations. >> you're saying it was a mini mission accomplished moment by msnbc? >> indeed. it did wonders for the ratings but it wasn't the full truth. >> i want to come back to your point, a.b., you said it's the public is tired of this war and has been for some time. is that how we should make our decisions? there's a lot of things the public doesn't have great appetite for but we feel some responsibility to report on. >> it is not how the decisions should be made by the media or this administration. this administration is not being truthful. >> about what? >> about how dependent iraqis
remain upon us and what is going to happen when we leave. >> if that's the case. >> there was a lot of happy talk in the oval office address. no matter what vice president biden says, you ask the iraqis, they are not close to forming a government. the question that the media needs to ask the administration over and over again is, what is the plan. what happens. >> if there's a civil war. >> the gains from the surge are literally remain at risk. if it unravels, what will happen. >> all of which should be good fodder for continuing coverage. briefly, are you surprised that the initial meetings with abbas and netanyahu and hillary clinton have gotten as much coverage as they can? >> we're very cynical about six decades of this. but frankly, benjamin netanyahu is strong enough to start real peace negotiations. therefore everybody sees this. there's a real chance right now, a real chance. that's why this is happening. >> in our remaining time, i want
to turn to something that's gone viral in terms of domestic coverage. that is the opening statement of arizona governor jan brewer in her first and apparently only debate in that race. she was not elected to that office but you can seeded janet napolitano. have i seen this thing ten times and still watch with absolute mazement and befuddlement. let's roll it again. >> we have cut the budget. we have balanced the budget. and we are moving forward. we have done everything that we could possibly do. we have did what was right for arizona. >> and after that, jamie mcintyre, reporters tried to question her at the post debate news conference and she took a couple questions and walked away. is that how you recover from a stumble like that? >> i had something really good i was going to say here but it
kind of slipped my mind. >> we're running out of time. >> i sympathize. no, it's not the way to handle it. obviously she wasn't as prepared as she should be. i can sympathize with just blanking out. it happens. >> we've used this at my companies 15 seconds.com on friday as a teaching moment. this is about preparation. politicians and ceos need to prepare more. she has a stump speech she gives but she didn't prepare for 15 seconds on the air. >> just briefly, a.b., is fair for all of us to play that 16 seconds over and over again as viking a moment as it was? >> not really. i think she really dug in, her response afterwards was the only reason i engaged in that debate was to get my $1.7 million in public matching funds. i'm not going to debate anymore. i believe the debate is an opportunity for my opponent to define himself. the voters need an answer from her on many different issues. the fact she thinks they don't deserve one is really telling. >> the press in arizona should
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he left that job, raises money and launched the terms tribune, a website devoted entirely to state politics. is that a model for the struggling news business? i spoke to him earlier from austin. >> evan smith, welcome. >> thanks, howie. >> there are a lot of good news organizations in texas. what is the text tribune providing the others aren't? >> there are great organizations in texas but fewer than there were 20 years ago and fewer reporters covering the things that we cover statewide issues. certainly there are fewer of those than 20 years ago. we're just getting inning there alongside them. we think there are things not being covered enough, some things not being covered at all and we've put ourselves of joining the news organizations here in trying to put the best and most robust face on statewide issues like health care, education and all that. >> trying to fill that vacuum. you got $1 million from your friend now publisher john thornton and you've gotten other donations. you've yet to prove you can make money at this.
>> he's our chairman, not our publisher. we have not yet proven that the business model for this new type of operation, would. we've raised $5 million, even more than $50 million over the last year to support an operation that's 25 full-time flees and 12 soon to be 13 full-time reporters which represents currently we're told about one-third of the capital press corps. we represent after one year one-third of the press corps and bringing in money through membership and foundation gifts to the extent we think we can make this business model work. it's going to be a challenge. >> of the money that you've raised, $3510,000 has gone to your salary. does that criticism bother you? >> it doesn't bother me at all. i'm happy to be as transparent with you as i expect people to be with us. we have salaries for all of our reporters that are competitive with the for profit media for the simple reason that this is not a teaching hospital. we strive to hire people ho are experienced journalists who can do the job often to get them
away from for profit legacy media organizations, you've got to pay competitively. we don't an pol yiz for it. >> one of the things do you on the ite is video feature called stump interrupted. i want to play a little bit of that with governor rick perry for our viewers. >> remember back that was six years ago, but remember back with me what we found when we got here. the comptroller announce that had there was a $10 billion dollar budget -- we don't have deficits in texas. we got a constitutional amendment that we cannot, we have to have a balanced budget. we don't have a deficit. we had a $10 billion budget hole. >> you're having fun with politicians? >> why not. from the beginning, our approach has been to cover politics the way espn covers sports to have fun with both the game and the players.
certainly the idea of doing a pop-up video type deal goes back to vh 1, maybe it wasn't even original back then, but there's no reason we can't appropriate it to bring more con text and insight to politics. >> let me move on to your your databases, and you're putting up these indexes of teacher salaries and red light cameras and campaign contributions. has that been a draw for you? >> it's been the biggest draw. absolutely, the biggest revelation for us has been people don't just want news, they want knowledge. they want information. they want the tools to be better engaged and thoughtful and productive citizens. one of the ways they get that information is through the databases. we now have more than 40 on our site. on a range of topics, and they get more traffic than anything else we publish on the site. >> you also do polling and you found almost one-third of texans believe humans and dinosaurs
rooxed the earth at the same time which is not true. >> they there the flint stones wa as a documentarily. >> you found out more than half don't believe in the theory of evolution. why did you ask those kinds of questions? >> you know, at the moment, we have a big debate over school curriculum standards being set by the state board of education in texas. most states don't have such a board but we do, outside of the education agency that is sets surk column. the question of creationism and all sorts of things related to science and wa we're going to teach our kids, that's very much in play right now. those questions felt very much of the moment. >> i've got maybe 15 seconds. you recently teamed up with the houston chronicle on an investigation. are other texas newspapers accepting you more? because they were it very wary when you announce this had thing. >> it's been ten, nine, eight little indians. one by one they've fallen. the dallas morning news ran one of our stories last week. nobody died. we've had great collaborations with many newspapers in texas.
our goal is to put our content in front of as many people as possible. >> evan smith, thanks very much for joining us from austin. >> thanks, howard. and coming up in the second part of "reliable sources," "washington post" sports writer mike wise gets sidelined for a bogus scoop posted on twitter. what explains such a dumb move? he'll be in the hot seat. president obama responds to the muslim misinformation about him with brian williams but is he fueling the story? rick stengel joins us. plus a rupert murdoch tabloid hacking the british royals and many others and offering big bucks for dirt on glenn beck in our media monitor.
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mike wise thought he had a cool idea. the "washington post" sports writer tweeted a phony scoop this week saying that pittsburgh steelers quarterback ben roethlisberger suspended by the nfl over an accusation of sexual misconduct would be out for five games. he did it for his washington radio show to show how "anybody will print anything and the twitter posting was picked up by several newspapers and sports sites carefully attributed to wise. he later apologized on the air. >> i made a horrendous mistake using my twitter account. i'm sorry essentially to the good smart people at the best place i've ever worked. >> soon after the "washington post" suspended him for one month, i sat down with him here in the studio.
>> mike wise, welcome. >> thank you. >> i got to start with the jay leno question of hugh grant. what the hell were you thinking? >> i was thinking what the heck. i'll detonate my career over a stupid radio stunt. no, in reality, it was one of those netherworlds between at the time i'm in the radio studio, i'm not thinking washington post columnist. i'm thinking radio bit and we're going to see if this, would. and one of the things, a painful lesson of this is you're everywhere at once and irrespective of which medium you're using -- >> you say well, it's twitter. have a little fun? >> have a little fun and also try and get at the crux of the credibility problem. the irony is in doing so, i destroyed some of my own credibility. and that is a hard thing to stomach. >> let's walk through because you were trying to prove a serious point which is that all
kind of unsubstantiated blather gets picked up and spun across the web. what's the difference between what you did, and you weren't trying to deceive anybody. what's the difference between what you did and a journalist who lies about his identity in a hidden camera investigation or who brings explosives to an airport security camera. >> one of the programs i can't stand on television is the one in which a gentleman for abc news, mr. quinonez gets people to act a certain way if a pregnant woman is smoking in a restaurant and then plays on those people's emotions when in fact it was this person that was smoking in the restaurant wasn't pregnant and was just a studio plant. that's cruddy journalism in my book. idea i thought i could sort of get away with it as a radio bit is a good lesson for me. >> so you put this up tweet that said simply roethlisberger will get five games, i'm told,
referring to his suspension by the nfl. and you were going to admit it right away there was a hoax. what was your plan? >> the goal was to actually wait two or three, five minutes and write a follow-up tweet saying set a casino employee and make it clear that i was joking. but in those three to four or five minutes, see what national publication of any merit picked it up. and did not vet it, did not source it, just used it and built a homepage around the fact that some guy said this. well. >> you're not just some guy. that's the problem. >> i'm from the "washington post." >> on twitter. >> and i'll say substantially, i'm doing the radio show. i'm multiplatforming. i don't look up to see if the tweet all of a sudden, it says twitter overcapacity. this is 30, 40 minutes of the radio show has gone by. and i'm going geez that, secondary tweet saying this was a joke did not post.
and so when it actually does, by that time, pro football, all these other news organizations picked it up. >> did you immediately realize this was a serious mistake or did that not dawn on you till later? >> i realize i should have corrected. if i waited one second to say i was joking, it was too long. but i also thought given that i had played up this fact on the radio show all day that somehow, that was going to get me off. and it wasn't till after the radio show that i in fact realized you know what? i just made something up. and it was on a twitter account ta happened to have my "washington post" i.d. on it. i.d. me as a "washington post" columnist. at that point, it was clear i was in trouble and needed to do some fessing up and basically go to the newspaper with my tail between my legs. >> let me explain something. we both work at "the washington post." i never see you because sports writers work crazy hours and go
out carousing. >> not me. i used to. >> you had to go to your editors, fes up and you were suspended by the newspaper for one month. >> yes. >> was that fair or unfair for something you describe as a radio stunt? >> that was a "washington post" twitter account. and if there's anything, and this is the irony of it all is that if there's anything i believe in it's credibility in journalism. and putting any kind of unfactual information is wrong. and so i have no problem with the month suspension. and if we're being honest, i walked in there and wasn't sure if i was going to have a job the next day. >> i felt like the penalty was a little harsh and it was a dumb thing to do, but the post ombudsman says you're lucky you didn't get fired. >> i wouldn't have went that far. given the platform that it was under. but you're right.
new guidelines, new social media. if there's anything i did learn from this, it's as much as they want you to be personable now in the newsroom, as much as they want you to show something of yourself through a twitter account, through i used to do these video columns for the post, they wanted to show some of my personality. a lot of people were taking me serious. they were taking "the washington post" serious. and if i could take myself that seriously, i wouldn't have had the problem. and that to me was the best lesson. >> i know you take media ethicses seriously because you've been on this program talking about. >> i never thought i would be talking about myself this problem. >> have you no doubt this cost you a chunk of your credibility? >> i think so. you could write every story under the sun and you covet all my stories and i would challenge someone to find a factual inaccuracy done with any malice or anything. and there would be few.
what you would find -- but it didn't matter. one thing can undo it for you. >> one thing that took you 15 seconds to type. >> 15 seconds to type and 19 to 20 years is undone like that. so i'm going to find a way to get it back. >> mike wise, would have been very easy to duck this interview. thanks very much for coming in. >> i appreciate you at least getting the story out there and talking about it. thanks howard. the nfl has reduced ben roethlisberger's suspension to four games. so even the fake scoop turned out to be wrong. "time" magazine calls president obama mr. unpopular, would this be the same "time" magazine that loved the guy during the campaign? managing editor rick stengel in a moment. on the most demandik in the world. with us, in spirit, was every great car that we'd ever competed with. the bmw m5. and the mercedes-benz e63. for it was their amazing abilities that pushed us to refine, improve and, ultimately, develop the world's fastest production sedan.
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when brian williams sat down with president obama in new orleans to mark the fifth anniversary of katrina, the nbc anchor asked one question that wound up providing the day's sound bite picked up by news organizations everywhere about that poll showing nearly two in ten americans believe the president is a muslim. >> you know, there is a mechanism, a network of misinformation that in a new media era can get churned out there constantly. >> what does it say to you? does it say anything about your communications or the effectiveness of your opponents to -- >> well, look, brian, i would say that i can't spend all my
time with my birth certificate plastered on my foreled. >> the current issue of time magazine takes on obama's difficulties in the polls. . we called in managing editor rick stengel to talk about the president's coverage and the magazine's evolution in the digital age. i spoke to him earlier from new york. >> rick stengel, welcome. >> great to be with you. >> did obama help keep that fake muslim story alive with those comments to brian williams, and is it related to what your own recent story called islam ma phobia in america. >> did you say the fake muslim story? what was the adjective. >> fake, he's not a muslim. it's an established fact in my mind. >> i thought you were suggesting the whole story about the whole thing was fake. no, it's interesting his response. there's the old mark twain line that you know, a lie goes around the world while the truth is still tying its shoes. to me, hayes to say, this is insane. this is crazy. i am a christian. i am not a muslim. not that there would be anything wrong with that. i don't quite understand why he
doesn't actually like knock it down with a baseball bat if he could. >> you know how the media, would. if he says this is insane, there would be headlines around the world, president calls accusations insane. every time he addresses it, he feeds the news beast. >> insane is the wrong word. if you would have said this is absurd or this is a lie, you know, i think he will -- his sweet reasonableness so triumphs over him getting perhaps a little angry and saying you know what? this is just down right wrong and the people who are perpetuating it are doing not only me a disservice but the country a disservice. >> if your current issue you have a piece titled mr. unpopular refer together president and the headlines says where did all that adoration go. i'm reminded of the time story which pictured him as fdr. some of that admiration came from "time" magazine and other places in the media. >> absolutely. i think you know, there were lots of folks in the media who you know fell in love with
barack obama, fell in love with the idea of barack obama being president. but you know, as machiavelli said when you're a leader and loved, if you do something wrong, people start to hate you. if you're a leader who's feared and respected, if you do something wrong, they still like you. some of that has to do with obama's, people who adored obama feeling betrayed or feeling in some way like he's not the person they thought he was. >> because journalists jacked up the expectations so high because many journalists fell in love with candidate obama. >> i'm not disagreeing with you on that, howie. >> by the way, we didn't strap you to the chair and force you to do this surgery. you're recover interesting shoulder surgery. let's talk about your magazine, "time" published by cnn's parent company time warner. have you moved from more classic news magazine henry luce style of the news to what you call analysis. why israeli doesn't care about peace. is that an example of reported
analysis? >> yes, i mean, look in so many ways as you know, the news, the information itself has become a commodity. what we offer is insight, analysis, putting the news, what you already know in perspective. to take the example about this week's story about israel, we sent our correspondent there, and he basically went around and said people in israel don't care about peace. they're happy. the society is prosperous. gdp is growing. they don't regard the palestinians as a threat. this is giving people a look around the bend, a kind of conceptual scoop which i think we can provide that a lot of news outlets can't provide. that's the idea. >> butt-head line is a bit of a marketing gimmick because it suggests israel doesn't want to participate in the peace process despite the meetings that started this week in washington. when you read the story, as the as you described. obviously you're trying to draw people in with a provocative headline. >> yes, it's a provocative thesis. there are many people who argue
that netanyahu is giving the appearance that he wants peace because really he wants the u.s. to help him with iran. that mail in fact be true. >> speaking of war, talk about the news magazine war. news week is still published by the "washington post" company where i work has been sold to a 92-year-old businessman, sidney harmon. u.s. news has basically moved online. i know you credit this formula as helping "time" magazine. but didn't news with" move heavily into the opinion business also? >> i think they did do that. i think them did it in a different way than we did it. i think our brand and the attach thamt people have to time continues to be incredibly strong because in fact, we do all of those things that a traditional news magazine does and provide insight, analysis, reporting, great photographer -- photography. with a difficult economy, it's like the old nba slogan, there can only be one.
there are lots of areas where other brands go by the wayside. >> have you had to lay off roughly a quarter of your staff since you have been editor. in a way you're making do with fewer bodies. of course, you're going to do less reporting. >> everybody has to do more, as you know. look how much you do. everybody has to do everything. they have to report, they have to blog. we know they're carrying video cameras. so in a way, everybody has to do more with less. we have done more with less. and we've done it across all every different platform online, on mobile. as well as on the traditional paper product. >> rick, you've just tied fareed zakaria who is gps program on cnn precedes mine and have you joe klein, well-known liberal writer and columnist. with all the hiring you've done, how have you not managed to find a conservative columnist? >> i would love to find one. if you're listening and a fantastic conservative columnist, give me a call.
>> eventual nancy gibbs writing the backstage column. at times i look at "time" magazine and it seems like a bit of a boys club. is that an area you need to work on as well? >>, of course, it's an area we need to work on. we do a lot of stories that actually are focused on a female audience and female readers. il do think that just the way "time" in many ways is actually a snap shot, a mirror of america, you know, we're red and blue. we're in the center of the country. we're on the coasts. we should also mirror the way america is too in terms of diversity, gender, all of that. >> we've got it on video. we've got about half a minute. in addition to the print magazine, which has a circulation of 3.25 million now. you've got the website. is blogging and people going online during a campaign for example, realtime observations moving quickly, is that as important to "time" right now as the printed rod? >> absolutely. anything we do that has our name and brand on it is important. it has to be smart, insightful.
we have something online called news feed commenting on what's going on on the web in realtime. i think everybody who has a strong point of view has to be on every different platform. that's about -- that's the nature of what we do now. and that's what people want. i think that's one of the things we are doing. >> it's the media on steroids. good luck with the shoulder. thanks very much for joining us. >> thanks very much, howie. president obama may have talked about iraq this week, but the sunday shows focused on the economy and particularly the white house proposal forth coming to cut taxes. candy crowley joins us in a moment. when you approach things from a different perspective, you don't end up with just another car. you end up with the all-new saab 9-5 luxury sport sedan.
with just two months to go till the midterm elections it would seem to late for president obama to make a major economic proposal. >> it is never too late to have some politics going on. and everything from now on, policy should be looked at through the prism of politics. what we're learning is that the president is likely to propose some business tax cuts, which seem to be a gimme for republicans who have been asking for them. however, john mccain on one of the talk shows today talked about too little too late. >> well, my reaction is that we always like to see a deathbed conversions.
but the fact is if we'd have done this kind of thing nearly a couple of years ago, we would be in a lot better shape. look, they're just flailing around. >> we also had richard trumka, the afl-cio, todd mccracken, small business association, both talking about the bush tax cuts. about to expire in about expire january. this will be a big issue this fall. and they disagreed while they both agree more money should be spent to kind of jump-start the economy, they did disagree on whether those bush tax cuts should be allowed to expire for the wealthy. take a listen. >> when you give tax cuts to the rich, they don't buy much. that's what happened in the deficit in the last 30 years. more tax cuts to rich and not to the people who need it. >> this is the wrong time to increase taxes on anyone. there's a minority of small companies for sure but ones that do are most successful and ones we want to be successful and
don't want to put disincentives in place. >> this won't be resolved by the first tuesday in november. >> no matter what the administration does right now will take effect by november. >> if they pass tax cuts tomorrow, it won't take effect until after. >> they don't expire until january. everything now is going to be politics, politics, politics. the democrats are having a hard time running on the economy, which is exactly what republicans want to talk about. so today we heard david plouffe frame the debate. >> we were on issues of health care, education that leadership in this town had refused to deal with for decades. >> the centerpiece of the democratic agenda for first three years has been health care bill. not one candidate on the campaign trail is talking about
it. the stimulus bill that was supposed to keep us at 8% or below unemployment has been an absolute disaster. it grew the government instead of creating private sector jobs. >> economy, economy, economy. pretty much that's exactly what this was about. >> that's exactly what the democrats want to get off because it comes with unemployment rate at 9.6% terrible environment for them to run in so "the new york times" talks about how lawmakers are trying to individualize their races and focus on the flaws and records of their opponents and to not have the election be on a national basis but district by district basis. >> good luck with that. it's a nationalized election. >> in the course of obama and the economy? >> obama and economy and it's always that in the mid terms. it's always about the party in power. and that's in the senate, in the house, in the white house, that's the democrats. it's going to be very tough to do that and i think what you're seeing now is exactly what you are saying. we're seeing commercials that
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monitor." here's what i liked. today's "the new york times" showing how they are hacking into british royals phone systems and hundred of celebrities, government officials and soccer stars. scotland yard which gets plenty of good publicity curtailed the investigation. news of the world editor dismissed what he called unsubstantiated claims of wrongdoing by senior management. the former chief of air america radio offering trash for cash in a piece in the huffington post. he doesn't like glenn beck. i offer to negotiate a $100,000 payday to the person who will come forward with a sex tape or phone records or anything else that succeeds in removing glenn
beck from the public eye forever. now, i know andrew made a six-figure offer for the confidential e-mails of that liberal group journalists but is that the kind of level to which he wants to sink? here's what i like. huffington post said he posted it automatically and took it down saying it didn't meet the editorial standards. he says he owes glenn beck an apology and says he crossed the line. and a report on underage prostitution being criticized on craigslist. that was solid journalism. here's the thing. she decided to ambush the founder of craigslist after an appearance here in washington. >> he doesn't know we're coming. he's been media shy lately about allegations. can people trust that children are not being sex trafficked on craigslist? >> we explained that in our
blog. >> what you doing to protect these girls? >> now, he was respectful and asked legitimate questions but didn't ask craigslist for comment until after surprising him with a crew. now the company is accusing her of sensationalism and this is what was posted online. she expected me to have the answers on the spot about anything to do with the company. i don't. our ceo has been running craigslist for the last ten years. i am a customer service rep. i have no role in managing the company's operations because basically, a, i suck as a manager and b, while overall company direction matters to me as founders and a board director, the deal was to hire good trustworthy people and get out of the way. amber told me she approached him inside a building and he agreed to step outside for an interview and she didn't chase after him. it was not an ambush interview and the company is deflecting